The Cost of Cutler

What would it take to get Jay Cutler in purple?  Sean Salisbury‘s special friend John Clayton thinks the price (link to podcast) would be at least a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.  And no, John did not merely pull that out of his pasty white troll-butt:  He bases it on the last instance of a big-armed QB being traded in his prime.  That was Jeff George getting sent from the Colts to the Falcons back in the early ’90s…another example of a quarterback not being able to get along with his coach - Ted Marchibroda in that case – and having to be shipped away.  Clayton qualifies this projection by mentioning the Broncos‘ need for a serviceable QB to hold the fort until Josh McDaniels can develop someone new, and their likely desire to receive said QB as part of any Cutler trade.  He then mentions six teams as likely destinations, placing the Lions and Browns as front-runners, and the Vikings in the second tier with the Bears, Jets and Buccaneers.

Three draft picks, all 3rd round and higher, would obviously be a lot to give up.  What we don’t know yet of course is how hot the market for Cutler will actually be when and if the Broncos officially start shopping him.  Character questions could make teams reluctant to give up so much, forcing Denver to lower its price.  It all depends on how desperate they really are to get rid of him.  I’m assuming they haven’t given up trying to reconcile.  That would be a lot easier if Cutler would stop acting like such an over-sensitive punk.

Topics: Chicago Bears, Cleveland Browns, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Indianapolis Colts, Jay Cutler, Jeff George, John Clayton, Josh Mcdaniels, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, Sean Salisbury, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Ted Marchibroda

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  • Curve~Ball

    Chester Taylor, First-round Draft pick, and

  • Curve~Ball

    Chester Taylor, First-round Draft pick, and __________.  Maybe a third round pick,

  • Mike

    Giving Denver the Viking’s first three draft choices would essentially kill this year’s draft and, when added to last year’s few draftees, the Vikings would have a big hole on the team lacking players of that age group.  Then again the Vikings 2005 draft also provided nothing.  But it is all moot because the Vikings don’t have a servicable QB to give the Broncos in return(same for the other second tier teams Bears, Jets and Bucs).  Oh well, the big baby would have been crying to leave after one week with insensitive Chilly anyway.

  • Chuck

    I agree with Mike,
    The first 3 picks should be on the field helping the team,  Once and a while you get some gems in the later rounds. If you give that up, Don’t think it is worth the risk, Cutler is kinda of a baby… Still wished they would pick up Garcia, He’s good for 2 years and would only help the team, He’s alot Smarter with the ball than Tarvaris is…

  • Spanky

    forget about cutler chilly has his man “again”. its saga “big gun” rosenfels…..w2g chilly you sucked the fun out of the 2009 season already

  • Spanky

    hey curve how about our 1st rond and chad greenway and more….

  • Spanky

    and NO more i meant to say…

  • Mike

    Peter King is saying the Jets are willing to pay more than any other team to get Cutler.  Which means the Jets will release Favre if he comes back.  Will the Vikings pick him up?

  • micah

    how about 1st ,3rd jackson/rosenfels and taylor

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    mike i’m going to say it finally. farve will not come back, but if he did he would be perfect for one year in minnesota…….if you get yor wish there mike baby, look out, cause farve won’t have to win games in minny, just manage them. at this point in his career, he could be the ultimate qb at the management game????? good call mike

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    the jets won’t trade farve cause that would cost them too much back to GB in compensation, but releasing him would come to pass if they got cutler????????????????????????????

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    sorry about the double pump there guys, not sure what happened??

  • Mike

    Dallas Dave, I don’t know if I would call it game management or not.  My bother’s friend has a relative in Mississippi who heard that Favre wanted to come to the Vikings because, unlike the Viking currrent QBs, he would have no trouble finding the open receivers all day when defenses stacked 8 and 9 in the box to stop AP.  

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    well, it does sound like the jets are very, very, interested in cutler. that would cause them to release farve. and i’ll tell you what, if farve is released you and i , mike,  know damn well he’ll play one more year in minny and try to run a lombardi trophy up thompson’s  and GB’s ass, not?????

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    i’ll say that the vikes have the best shot at winning the whole damn thing if they get the right qb. that is the only thing they need. with this team and the way it’s set up, even rosenfels could win with it. but we know farve has got to be just lickin his chops for a piece of this pie? the best chance he’d have to hang one more up and walk away??????wow, can’t make one up better.

  • All Day 28

    Davedallasfan, you comment in here plenty, so why dont you go ahead and change your name to DaveMinnesotafan, I think we are converting you over. I’ll give you the chance to jump ship. Come on over to the Purple

  • Those We Don’t Speak Of

    Nah, change his name to Davequestionmarkfan instead.

  • Mike

    The Star Tribune is reporting today that Trent Dilfer is saying what takes a quarterback to the next level is a proven ability to consistently play on critical downs.  Dilfer does not give Jay Cutler an edge over Sage Rosenfels or Tarvaris Jackson in managing key downs but rather thinks all are in the same boat in that sense.   I doubt Dilfer would question whether Brett Favre has matured to that level.

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    Mike, what does Trent Dilfer know about the next level? The only reason he even got a Super Bowl ring in Baltimore was because of their defense. I only recalled him making one good pass that whole game for a TD, but Dilfer was probably in the same QB class as Tavaris Jackson, you know the 2 out of 7 for 16 yards at halftime for stats. I mean, let’s get real, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning pass for more yards on their first set of downs than T-Jack or Dilfer had in a full game. I would rather have Cutler than Favre, but if Favre is the only option left, and could actually pull himself back together, and lead the Vikings to the Bowl. I should point out that it  would depend on  the the extent of his arm injury. Being a competitive powerlifter at 47 , I know these injuries don’t just heal in a week, as they did when you’re younger, the pain sticks around longer than you want it to, and can really reak havoc on your ability, as witnessed in the last 4 games Favre played for the Jets. That being said, I just hope when the smoke clears, the Vikings make the deal for the QB that can propel us to our first Super Bowl win. 

  • Mike

    Bernie, I still consider Dilfer a credible expert on quarterbacks, even though he may not have reached the next level himself.  I do agree picking up Favre should depend on the degree of healing in his bicep, but I don’t think he will even want to play if it doesn’t heal. 

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    Mike, I do respect Dilfer as an analyst and maybe to a point as a pro QB, but the thing that get’s me riled at him ,or Shawn Salisbury is when they start critisizing other QB’s talent, as if they were Joe Montana or Dan Marino themselves. I do think both Dilfer and Salisbury are excellent football analysts, but their pro football talent fell short of their broadcasting skills. I was going to be like everyone else and tell you to put the Favre prospects to rest once and for all, but now that the Jets want Cutler, It almost sounds more and more like Favre could be the solution to the Vikes QB dilemma. I have a lot of respect for him, even if he killed us for years as a cheesehead Green Bay Packer.   

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    To all the Vikes fans,  you don’t have to be a genius like Bill Walsh was, as coach of the 49er’s  to win a Super Bowl, not only one , but four. It was actually getting the offense together to go along with a great defense. Walsh got all the right players in the right positions, and Montana utilized every one of them, from Roger Craig, Earl Cooper in the backfield, to Jerry Rice and Freddie Solomon =the WR core, then added in TE Dwight Clark. It worked then, and it  would work for Minnesota now, so please get the QB,WR and FB we need to make it happen.  

  • Matty32

    Alright, where do I start?  I would love Cutler, absolutely love to see #6 in purple.  I think that we’d become instant contenders in the NFC, I won’t go as far as saying we’d be instant Super Bowl contenders as I think we have some question marks on the o-line and defensive backfield that could hurt us.  How much is too much to give for Cutler though?  Would love to hear what you all have to say about these ideas:

    1st/3rd and Greenway for Cutler (I’d say C. Taylor but don’t think the Broncos would want/need him because of their offseason moves)

    Either sign Orlando Pace and move to right tackle or use our 2nd rounder on a tackle as the draft is rich at that position

    Sign Torry Holt to add some consistency and accomplished veteran leadership to the WR’s (no offense to B. Wade)

    Sign Leonard Weaver right now!!!  Letting Tony Richardson go was a huge mistake and neither Tapeh nor Tahi, for goodness sakes, were adequate replacements, this guy at least seems to be a bit closer.

    So we lose 1st/3rd pick and Greenway.  I hate to see him go but we all know that an inside linebacker is harder to replace than an outside backer, E.J. being back is more important than Chad.

    We get Cutler, Holt, Pace or 2nd round tackle and Leonard Weaver, what thinks you???

  • Mike

    The Vikings need proven QB and WR, RT and fullback.  They may try for Cutler, but will eventually get Favre.  Holt and Pace are likely not their choice.  Pace has missed too many games the last few years.  The Vikes have said they will trade for a high level tackle.  If they do, they will likely draft a WR, especially since few are now available.

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    all day 28, i live here in n.iowa. i’m right on the iowa /minn border. i’m 50 minutes south of rochester minn. my uncle lives there and is a huge viking fan so i hear all the news and he keeps me full of vike news. trust me he’s already tried to convert me many times. i follow the cowboys heart and soul. but i like to keep up on things here and banter with you guys. there are some good viking fans on here. i have come on here before and thrashed some of those whinning viking fans too. i’ve heard alot of whinning and bitching beleive me, but i’m satisfied just to bullshit if it suits you guys? i like to get different opinions when i argue with my uncle. i do think the vikes have a hell of a squad, but they are a qb away from winning big. and i do think sage can be that qb if he’s givin a fair shake. i’ve seen him come up from iowa state, and he can throw…..

  • All Day 28

    Im just picking on ya DallasDave, Yes Dave I agree with you on Sage as well, alot of ppl arent too keen on him but ive watch plenty of Sage the past 2 years, I live just north of Houston. And honestly I know he threw alot of int’s, but he was trying very hard to lead the Texans and was also trying to be impressive, because we all know or should know that he was trying to take the starting job from Shaub. We saw his debacle against Indy, but before that happend, I believe it was him that put that big lead up against Indy. So unless Minnesota goes out and  gets Cutler or Favre for some reason then im glad to go into this season behind Sage giving him finally a fair shake. He didnt have Peterson while he was in Houston, or the Oline, or the D that we have, So i agree with ya he can Throw.

  • All Day 28

    Sorry for the second Post but since I am All Day 28, I only thought it would be fair that i was the 28th post on this thread

  • Mike

    VIKINGS GET HOLT!!!!!!  That is the former Bengal Glenn Holt, a WR but mostly for kick returner.  Won’t need Parcy Havin.

  • Ryan

    OMG, FAVRE IS DONE U JACKASS

  • Mike

    Ryan should be banned from this web site for not respecting others opinions, offensive language and not understanding football. 

  • danzinski

    He called me an asshole once and I didn’t ban him.  Cause I’m tolerant.  By the way, if I was gonna  ban people, davedallasfan would’ve been gone ages ago.

  • Chuck

    Danz,
    Cocky once in a while is tolerant, Offensive language is another, But it is Your Web site and your call… But you can Alway change your mind Bro

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    Matty32,  You should be the head of player of personnel for the Vikings, because those are the same players i suggest the team go after. With Weaver in the backfield with Adrian, we add short-yardage power, we failed on way too many third and fourth down and short plays. Sure our defense has a few holes in it , but we can repair the secondary fast. The Steelers secondary got picked apart by Warner in the Super Bowl, yet their Defense held up to win, and Pittsburgh’s defense was rated #1 overall in the league.  I think every defense has some flaws, it’s our offense that needs a jump-start. We have to take the load off of Peterson, before we turn him into another work-horse like Houston did to Earl Cambell many years ago, leading to more injuries and a shortened career.

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    danzinski, i’m deeply hurt. i come on here and offer you some great football banter. i’m on here as much as your regulars. i call it like it is. i don’t mince words, but i may have miss judged some. and to those i have appologized. ask mike. i have treated bernie jelinek with class, even when i so called insulted him,  i gave him a great complement by comparing him to a great sports reporter named bernie lusk. i told allday 28 ,thanks, but no thanks;…politely…..i came on here out of retaliation, remember? you go over to the landryhat ever so often, and do a groin punch out of the blue and then run away. so i came here to tell you not all cowboy fans are as bad as the ones you hate. i told all you guys on a continual bases the the vikings will be headed to L.A. in 2010. which i still think will happen if the state of minnesota and the city of minneapolis does’nt do something about it. i ran it under your skin cause i want you guys who are viking fans to DO something about it. my uncle who lives in rochester minn. calls his congressman once a week just to remind him of how the viking fans feel about their team. so i thought i could spark some of you guys too. i live in this area, do you think i want the vikings to leave even if i don’t follow them? you guys ain’t my enemies, just my opponents. i have family that back the vikings with blood, so i back my cowboys the same. that’s why i respect all you die-hard football fans. so i don’t feel i’ve ever done anything to be banned over, it’s free press anyway is’nt it? i like you guys here and have tried just to be a good and objective fan. i have made good points and good arguments. i even agree with you once in a while, there, danzinski…….but please stop associating your blog; “pac-man jonesin” with the dallas cowboys. we cut ties with him, and it’s getting more obvilious that there are other teams out there with more criminals then us. hell all we did was try to re-hab them. is that so bad?????

  • Ryan

    lol, you all take things to seriously!  but seriously Favre is not coming back and I wouldn’t even wan’t him if he did, he’s lazy and never works out in the offseason anymore.

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    do you remember when i came on here and said all the viking fans do was whine and bitch about their team and i’m sick of it???? well that qoute comes from my uncle, who i consider the biggest vike fan i ever knew. he said if the fans would stop bitchin about the team and bitch to the state leaders like that, we’d keep this team. there’s my crime………so hang me for it……but i’ll still say the same thing to you guys if it can save this  football team from movin. so see , i might be a bigger viking fan than some of you guys would think.????

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    what do you mean me??? hell your the guy they want to ban

  • Ryan

    davedallasfan: danzinski, i’m deeply hurt……… you take things to seriously, people are deeply hurt when they lose a beloved family member not when someone says they should have banned them from some website.

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    DallasDave,  I’ve seen your comments on other team web pages and you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge about football, but i don’t think Viking fans want to hear anymore rumors about moving to LA. Right now we’re just hoping to fill the gaps that exist in our team’s offense, especially at QB, even though i don’t mind Rosenfels, i do believe we should spend the money on a big-time QB like Cutler, it would definitely give the fans some hope, and i think we deserve that much. Honestly, the last team we had that got the fans pumped up, was when Cunningham and Moss had our offense at #1. We were 15-1 that year and lost only to Tampa Bay in the regular season, then choked at home to Atlanta in the NFC Championship game. Sure we had some good years with Culpepper at QB, but he, like Donavan McNabb, could not win the big game.  We were actually a hop, skip and a jump away from a perfect season, only accomplished by Miami.  Dave, you should tone down the profanity you use in your comments. Look, we all get mad now and then, but you can avoid using too much foul language, it makes you seem ignorant at times. I know some people use it to be funny or mean, but if you consistently use bad language towards Vikings fans, while on the Viking web page, than expect no mercy in return. You seem like a good person with some very good  insight, but imagine one of us Viking fans on the Dallas Cowboy website cussing everyone out, and saying Dallas is moving to LA. What do you think the response would be? I actually think most of the Vikings fans have been pretty tolerant so far, i doubt Dallas fans would treat us better.

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    ryan, being deeply hurt is ofcorse a joke. i don’t take this too seriously. it’s banter and prospecting news. it was my attempt at humor….. bernie i do appologize if it seems i come on here to cuss everyone out. again, maybe as you said a failed attempt at more humor…….not my intention by any means. i do feel very anxeious about the vikings moving. i’m dead serious guys if you don’t speak up, they’ll be gone. i’m not trying to annoy or piss people off, but that is the truth. and profanity is not becoming a gentleman. bernie i agree, and for you my friend i’m intelligent enough to see that it does indeed make a person look ignorant. you are right, i do feel as though i have some good football knowledge, and i’d like you guys to veiw it that way too. so because you asked politely, i will refrain from profanity as much as my red-neck midwest upbringing will allow. the guys on landryhat are pretty good guys by the way bernie, stop in sometime and see. they’re the same. if someone has some good comments to make they’re taken well. my language was never intended to be directed at you as viking fans personally, but more of a general phrasing, but still no excuse i understand. and thank you for your compliments as well. your always welcome at our cowboy home : “the landryhat”

  • http://Pennsylvania bernie jelinek

    Dallas Dave, I just wanted to point out that i really don’t see a reason to use bad language. Hey, i’ll be the first to admit i swear once in awhile out of anger, mostly. Believe me, living in Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh Steeler country, the Steeler fans here use the worst profanity on a daily basis, whether they win or lose, and a few words in some of your comments, really pale in comparison to the words out of the Steeler fans garbage mouths, i ‘m just tired of hearing it constantly. Anyways, i’m not professing to be some religious fanatic or some perfect yahoo, but i like chatting on this site with other fans, mainly because i counted about 97 Viking fans in my hometown, and we are scattered miles away. Dave, getting back to the Steeler fans, i would’nt let my three daughters one hundred yards within these foul-mouths, and to think they have kids of their own. I said before, that i respect other fans for other teams. I had a lot of respect for Tom Landry, the Cowboys former coach, the man was a great coach, as was Rodger Staubach-QB, Randy White-DT= The Manster great players, just to name a few. I was’nt happy the way the owner Jerry Jones tossed Landry out, like he was dirt, it was shameful on his part, and for that reason, i have less respect for that organization. It sounds like you’re uncle is a longtime Vikings fan, who is very concerned about the team moving to LA. The reason i can’t see it happening is that i witnessed what happened in Cleveland years ago, when the owner Art Modell moved them to Baltimore, and became the Ravens. My hometown borders Cleveland and Buffalo, and we do have quite a few Browns fans. There were actually many death threats levied at Modell when the deal went through, and i can’t imagine the Vikings owner even considering going down that same road to LA.  This is what i mean about fans obsession with their favorite teams.    

  • http://landryhat davedallasfan

    yeah, bernie i agree. i was brought up on a farm in n.iowa. my grandpa was a redneck and very fowl mouthed. i picked it up. my dad and both my uncles were bad as well. the apple don’t fall far from the tree. my wife is always saying what you said, “that the language of a man indicates the educational level he’s at”. my wife always says that she knows i’m smarter than i sound……hahaha. thank you for the reminder. both my uncles have always fueded  tobecause one is a packer fan in wicsonsin and one is a viking fan in minny. my dad, who is not a huge football fan said stay clear son, and look at those dallas cowboys with roger staubach. now there’s a hero. he liked staubach from his days at navy. i was born in ’62 and staubach’ hiesman was ’63. dad sais it’s meant to be. staubach is the way to go. so in 69-70 when roger came to dallas and i started liking football, dad advised me well. tom was a great man and coach. i’ve read his biography and am fasinated with his football knowledge. he more than anyone had a huge impact on vince lombardi when they were O-cord. and D-cord with the giants. lombardi said that landry was the most organized s.o.b. he ever met. landry said, “well being called an s.o.b. is a good compliment coming from vince.” landry had a good sence of humor even if he was protrayed as a stone face. bud grant always admired landry as well, and said “it’s difficult to remain calm and collect under emince pressure, that’s what grace under pressure means.” those 2 were good friends as well and mutually respectful of each. i miss those days.  i love the rabid fans that the vikes have and this is what i believe is the key to keep the vikes in minny, but they gotta start yelling now, cause it’s almost too late????

  • Chuck

    Bern,
     You said your hometown borders between Cleveland and Buffalo ,Is your home town Erie Pa ??? I grew up as a kid in Bradford Pa,  About 80 miles south of Buffalo…