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Jared Allen Annoyed by Favre
For some people there is no downside whatsoever to the Favre saga. They have convinced themselves that pursuing the quarterback is an absolute good, a necessity and in fact a noble quest the likes of which hasn’t been seen since the days of King Arthur.
Unfortunately, despite the beliefs of these delusional few, there is in fact a negative to the whole affair – the introduction of bad vibes into the Vikings locker room. The potential for this was already demonstrated a few weeks ago when Ray Edwards (bravely, given the profusion of Branch Favridians out there) spoke out about Favre’s diva reputation and his own hopes that Brett will put that aside for once in his life and try to mesh with the team. And now another Viking, Jared Allen, has suggested that the whole Favre saga is beginning to wear on the players.
The word Jared has used is “annoying.” “If we get Brett, then that’s a bonus,” Allen said in an interview. “But let’s either get it done and get moving on with it or let it go.
“It’s not so much that it’s a distraction because we’re professionals and don’t really buy into that. But it’s annoying.”
If Jared thinks the Favre talk so far has been irritating, what about when he actually joins the team, and the flood of media really begins? What kind of effect will that have on team chemistry? Especially if Brett behaves in his usual prima donna fashion and begins alienating teammates?
I just hope that Brett is doing this to play football and win, and not as part of some search for personal vindication. If it’s the latter…well, we’re in for a long, disappointing season.
Dunzinski just keeps piling his Franophile ranting thicker and deeper. There is no downside to upgrading at QB, the most important position. There is no downside to getting a QB that can get Ds out of box of Purple Jesus. Even if he comes from the dark side. It is the holy grail. Of course, it will upset a few in the Vikings locker room with allegiances formed with T-Joke, especially T-Jack’s workout buddy Ray “I will break the sack record” Edwards and perhaps Chad Greenway. But who cares, every team must deal with split locker rooms. Jared Allen has been strange about the Favre quest to repair his shoulder. In fact, I posted a question to him on NFL.com to try to find out what his problem was, but I think he baled out on the chat room. Why should Allen be annoyed if he is professional, especially since he is on defense? Dunzinski mentions the flood of media problem but that is exactly what Favre is trying to avoid by working out with high schoolers now and then going directly to camp where they can stick to business. Dunzinski and Edwards can call it prima donna and alienating himself but this guy is the second most popular football player and a top 5 QB, both now and all-time. If the Vikings can’t put the media out of their minds what are they going to do if they advance in the playoffs?
July 18th, 2009 at 9:02 amas long as favre is there for the start of training camp like the rest of the TEAM we should be ok and i have to wonder if ray “ill set the sack record” edwards will start this year…..
July 18th, 2009 at 11:45 amYou could have made this post in 2 sentences. The only thing we know that Jared Allen is annoyed….seemingly because this is lingering for so long. So what??? I’m f’in annoyed too. I really hopes he gets this shit over with and announces Sunday-Wed of next week just to get it over with already.
July 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pmIt may be annoying to some but Favre should be allowed to let his arm heal and escape the media. I have two other problems with what Allen said:
1. He said “I say it all the time: If you can get a player of that caliber at any position, you take him….If Lawrence Taylor came out of retirement, you take him just to see what he can do… Brett absolutely has proven that he’s one of the best ever at what he does.” Although it appears he is big on Favre the crap about Taylor, who is 50 years old and hasn’t played since 1993, when Favre first came into the league, sounds like another 100 years old joke against Favre.
2. He also said “our goals going into the off-season weren’t, let’s win a championship if we get Brett Favre. It’s, we’re going to win a championship. And I feel like we have two able quarterbacks to get that done.” Last year, Allen promised us the Vikings would win the super bowl and one of those QBs didn’t get it done!
July 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pm[...] The Viking Age points us to another member of the defensive line expressing a bit of frustration about how the Favre saga is playing out. Ray Edwards generated some controversy back in June when he criticized Favre for being a distant presence in the Jets locker room — and now, Jared Allen just wants the Vikes to move forward: [...]
July 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm[...] The Viking Age points us to another member of the defensive line expressing a bit of frustration about how the Favre saga is playing out. Ray Edwards generated some controversy back in June when he criticized Favre for being a distant presence in the Jets locker room — and now, Jared Allen just wants the Vikes to move forward: [...]
July 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pmwhen farve comes to camp it will be a circus, but it will refute most of the attention off the team and onto farve. in camp that maybe a good thing. attention and scrutiny in camp is not a positive forteam chemistry anyway. this will allow the pressure to be taken off the D which is the real key to a championship anyway, so what the hell is allen all shook up about? farve will be a buffer to the rest of the team to the media…….perfect distraction to let the team focus. let farve deal with the media glut. he knows how to do that, and the rest of the team can come together
July 18th, 2009 at 3:24 pmGosh, it’s fun to see all these people drunk on the myth of Favre, it’s cute really. Mike, if you think Favre is currently a top 5 QB then I’d love to see your list of the top 10 QB’s in the league right now.
Mostly my questions to those who think this is a slam dunk are the following:
1. Do you really think Brett is going to handoff to AP and throw bubble screens to Harvin all day? Really?
2. What do you do with your highly talented team next year? Do you think BF is going to give you multiple years? Have you even thought that far?
2.5…What is the long range plan of this team? Don’t get me wrong, win now is great…but if you don’t win now and mortgage your future then there are problems. It’s becoming very clear that every other team has some real promise over the next few years (hell even Detroit), so if BF doesn’t give your franchise its first ring this year, then what?
3. How many games are you going to get out of Brett this year? You need 19-20. Last year the Jets got 8-9, and he really hasn’t upgraded his offseason workout routine since then.
3.5…On a similar note, I know Jamie Dukes over at NFL Network isn’t too concerned about this, but injury is a big deal here. We’re talking about a guy who’s going to be 40 during the season, and one who has played every game for 18 years now? It’s not a hard to see the strain the NFL puts on a body, so the logical question is: how much does he really have left?
I hope this #4 gamble works out for you all, but from where I’m sitting Favre needs the Vikings much more than the Vikings really need him.
July 19th, 2009 at 12:13 amDevin, you obviously haven’t been reading this web site because you are asking me and others to re-address issues we have already covered. Just go back through recent posts.
A question that was especially moronic was “Do you really think Brett is going to handoff to AP and throw bubble screens to Harvin all day?” We all know Childress has many more plays in his offensive game plan involving many more players – Berrian, Rice, Taylor, Shancoe, etc.
It was also stupid to ask how many games the Vikings will get out of Favre. How many games will the Pats get out of Tom Brady after he gave them less than a game last year?
The Vikings need to focus on winning super bowls now while Hutchinson, the Williams Wall, Winfield, etc. have peaked. Favre is a perfect addition to that plan. Yesterday Dorsey Levins said he thinks Favre has 3 or 4 more years in him, but who knows, who cares. Childress will start rebuilding when it becomes necessary, just like every other team goes through.
The Vikings and Favre need each other big time. This is a win-win situation. But I very much doubt you hope it works out.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:52 amI should also repeat for you the number one reason to get Favre: Vikings fans should not be forced to watch, for even one more year, defenses loading the box against Purple Jesus with impugnity.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:05 amDevin, The important thing right now for Vikings’ fans is’nt Favre’s current QB rating, it’s the thought of the two scenarios playing out here. Either we sign Favre and he instantly improves our chances of going to the Super Bowl, or he does’nt sign, and we end up with another dissapointing playoff loss, that is if we get lucky again and win the division. Remember last year that if it were’nt for Longwell’s fieldgoal against the Giants , we as fans would’ve suffered even worse, knowing we’d choked once again. Of course the story ended that way a few weeks later as T-JACK handed the Eagles the game with one of his many infamous red-zone picks returned for the gamebreaking TD. I think most Vikings fans would welcome Favre signing, rather than scenario #2. I had to persuade my older brother, who has also been a fan for many years, the importance of getting Favre. He also has his doubts, but whether Favre gives us 1 year or several is’nt the issue here. Can you imagine all the excitement Favre brings to the offense, teaming up with A.P. and company? We have’nt had this much to cheer about since Randy Moss put Vikings football back on the map. Regardless of the outcome, i have to again agree with Mike, it’s a win-win situation if Favre is our QB, and if Devin does’nt believe he’s top 5, then i welcome him to name the other so-called great QB’S other than Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger playing today. One thing Favre does bring is hope, which is better than doubt or dissapointment, the exact words that have plagued Vikings’ players as well as fans for years.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:36 amBernie, you had me 100% until you said the word Roethlisberger.
My top 3 are Brees Brady and Manning, then big drop off. Maybe Warner up there too.
July 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pmA realistic top 5 QB list:
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Philip Rivers
I could finish out a top 10 and Favre wouldn’t be on that list either.
I’m hearing lots things about my questions being stupd, but here’s why they are not:
1. The Vikings of this year and the Jets of last year are remarkably similar teams. They both have very good to amazing running backs (Thomas Jones and AP) and some basic weapons around that running back. Both offenses are built to run first with controlled passing to set up the deep ball. Last year that running back with the Jets complained that Brett didn’t run the ball enough, that tells me that he audibled out of run plays (something he was known to do in GB as well). If he did that to the AFC’s leading rusher last year do you think it will be different in Minnesota?
2. Durablity. I’m hearing lots of “If we get Brett we will be Super Bowl contenders!” Well maybe, but maybe not. See to be a legit Super Bowl contender you need your team healthy and ready to go for the last 8 games, not the first 8. Assuming that you go to the Super Bowl, and that you have a first round bye (a big assumption, but I will go with it) then your last 8 games start around week 11. Look at the Jets last year to see what kind of QB that you will have for the last few weeks. Bottom line, it wasn’t pretty. In fact, if you look at T-Jack’s stats for those last few weeks I would imagine that they would be better. Just a thought. By the way…the whole down the stretch run is often times the result of the offseason training that players do. Right now Brett is getting in high school football shape, not NFL shape.
I guess here’s my question…I guess you all believe that the Vikings need Brett, but why aren’t more of you fans bitching that you didn’t get Jay Cutler. I know it’s a done deal, but he’s pretty much Brett was in ‘93 or ‘94 that why you would have a the Brett Favre that was good instead of the washed up version that you are selling your future for today.
Oh, and no one’s answered my question of what happens next year when you don’t make the playoffs and have no QB again.
July 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pmOther QB’s I could of put at 5:
Ben Roethesburger (more SB’s then Brett)
Matt Ryan (this is more on upside than anything else)
Kurt Warner
Other QB’s better than Brett:
July 19th, 2009 at 12:46 pmTony Romo
Matt Hasselbeck
Jay Cutler/Aaron Rodgers (because until they play each other and we get a better feel for their strengths these guys are really the same guy)
Eli Manning
farve’s knowledge of the game is priceless, and at this point of his career is un-matched. minnesota runs more of a west coast short style passing game then did the jets. with the power of peterson being the first thing offenses must contend with makes farve that much more of a threat, and takes all the pressure off him. he is a field general at this point and will gladly hand the reigns to AP. farve allowed thomas jones to have a great year, peterson will allow farve to stay strong for an entire year. now if peterson gets hurt minnesota is done. but if farve would go down, you do have sage and jackass to rely on. this puts the minnesota situation heads and shoulders better then NY. come on the jets were a 4-12 team the year before. how can you even put them in the same catagory of minnesota?????????farve over nite brought a playoff caliber notice to them. allow he has to do is “function” in this offense. it is a fast car, all farve has to do is “steer” it in the right direction……the motor will do the rest………..motor=AP+defense?????? that’s not a bad senerio
July 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pmDevin, there is no comparison between the 10-6 Vikings and the 4-12 Jets when they got Favre. Comparing AD to Thomas Jones is even more ridiculous. And we all saw what the AFC All-pro top-5 QB Brett Favre did for the Jets before he started experiencing pain in his shoulder in the last 5 games.
The Vikings will now have the advantage that iron man Favre (record games started) has remedied the shoulder problem with surgery. Dorsey Levins already answered your question that Favre could play 3 or 4 more years, but who knows?
Many Vikings fans wanted Cutler but I think Favre is better. Although I must agree Cutler would have been better for the long-term. But Cutler is a done deal and we never really had a chance because Cutler wanted to play for the Bears.
Top5 QBs
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4T. Donovan McNabb
4T. Brett Favre
Philip Rivers was beat’n by a high schooler in a passing contest, HA HA whereas Favre dominates them at Oak Grove.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pmfarve had to carry the packer offenses and rely on his strong D. farve tried to carry the jets and almost did
July 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pmfarve has to just manage this viking team to be a playoff team
farve is in the greatest situation in his life.
farve brings the greatest situation the vikings have had since culpepper/moss. AP—-defense—-farve. do you see where farve really fits in to minnesotas championship chances are???????? if this senerio stays true to form, this is how minnesota will win a championship, not just on farves arm.
to put it simply……minnesota is one of the top 5 teams in overall talent. all they need is someone with knowledge to guide and direct on the field. that knows how to win. who better then farve? my uncle hates farve, but finally has come to this same conclusion. he says, ” we don’t need farve to make us win, we need him to show us how to win. we got all the tools to do it, we just need someone to swing the hammer.” well said…”VIKEMAN”
July 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm2008 Pro Bowl Voting
July 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAFC QB
Peyton Manning, Colts
Brett Favre. Jets
Jay Cutler, Broncos.
NFC
QB
Kurt Warner, Cardinals
Drew Brees, Saints
Eli Manning, Giants
Mike said it best “Favre did for the Jets before he started experiencing pain in his shoulder in the last 5 games. “ Those last 5 games are going to be critical, and he hasn’t finished well over the last three seasons (mind you I’m including the 13-3 year as well, those who don’t remember how he finished, especially in cold games, are just ignoring the past).
Personally, I think you are all diluding yourselves and not truly seeing what you are getting. You remember Favre of years ago beating you, not the 40 year old player he would be this year.
I agree he will cause defense to respect you more, that’s true…but don’t bet on his football smarts (he’s never been known for this decision making) or his deep ball (the arm getting tired boys and girls).
July 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pmOh and Mike, Lebron was dunked on by a high schooler…you going to say he’s not good at basket ball now?
July 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmKnowbody is going to argue about Lebron, Here’s the question Plain and Simple.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:52 pmTarvaris Jackson or Brett Favre ??? ( Not Sage and Booty )
Who do you think is best for this year???
Nobody lol… Sorry about the spelling !!!
July 19th, 2009 at 3:56 pmJim, i live here in Pennsylvania and right dab smack in the middle of Steeler country, so i get to see the Steelers play each week. Believe me when i say that Rothlisberger is a top QB, he may not be as gifted as Brees, Romo or Warner, but physically he’s much tougher than they are. I know the Steelers are a team like the Vikings=relying on their defense and their running game on offense, but you need a good QB if you’re gonna win the Super Bowl nowadays. Rothlisberger does’nt put up the big numbers like the other guys but he’s a big dude that is hard to bring down, and if you watched the Super Bowl he drove the Steelers down for the win. He can make the big plays when he has to, and 2 Super B owl rings prove that. The Vikings are in the same situation that the Steelers were in several years ago, in that the defense is there, the running game is there, but they lacked the QB that could make the big plays. Simply put, Favre is the puzzle piece the Vikings need to go all the way.
July 19th, 2009 at 5:31 pmDevin, you are the one trying to twist everything so you can rationalize your misconceptions about Favre. Yes I said Favre did great for the Jets before he started experiencing pain in his shoulder but you conveniently ignored that I also said the Vikings will now have the advantage that Favre has remedied the shoulder problem with surgery. Favre’s problem was his shoulder not his age or conditioning, just like Tom Brady’s problem was his knee. Moreover, I’ll bet on Favre’s football smarts anyday - Ben Leber said he would just laugh at the Vikings everytime they would call a blitz against him, something that totally confuses T-Jack.
Lebron was dunked on once by a high schooler, big deal. Philip Rivers lost an entire passing contest. But it was a joke anyway (notice the HA HA), because you first criticized Favre for being in High School shape. You know some high schoolers are not so bad. Kevin Garnett was good in the NBA out of High School and Adrian Peterson had his best college year as a freshman. So don’t knock it.
July 19th, 2009 at 5:56 pmEverything Devin says is the same tired old crap I have heard from Franophiles all off-season. He also says he hasn’t finished well over the last three seasons. First of all Favre has been experiencing some pain in his shoulder for the last three or four seasons and only had it remedied this year after realizing he had a tear. Second, he did finish good enough when he had a good team behind him in the 13-3 year. Go ahead and cite the stats for the 100th time.
July 19th, 2009 at 6:06 pmDevin, I agree with Brady and Manning as the top 2 QB’S, but McNabb and Rivers do not belong in that top 5. Rivers has choked time and again in the playoffs, when the Chargers definitely had the best team. Does he have talent? yes. Does he put up big numbers? yes. Can he win the big games? No. The same thing can be said about Donavan McNabb, only McNabb is older, and has choked many more times than Rivers. I would judge a great QB, not just by stats, but by accomplishments in the big games. Favre has proven over many years to be a champion, regardless that he beat our Vikings too many times, he’s a hard-nosed player that won’t quit. That’s why i rate Rothlisberger as a top QB, He’s from the same mold. I think Favre is a top QB, remember even after his injury prior to becoming unglued, he still was named to the Pro-Bowl ahead of Rivers, and Rivers was at a higher QB rating at that time, so you figure it out. Chuck asked the no-brainer question that some fans still don’t grasp. Favre or Jackson? Chuck, i hope you convinced at least some of the Favre-naysayers to drop the bashing and jump aboard, because the whole Vikings ship could very well sink without a real QB.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:10 pmDave, you’re uncle Vikeman has got it right on when he said that we need Favre to show us how to win, especially if we get in the playoffs. Also, his knowledge of the game would help immensely. I know you’re a Cowboys fan and i would rate Tony Romo up there talent-wise, but again he’s another guy who just has’nt got over the hump to win the big games, but unlike McNabb, he’s got time on his side.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:29 pmI think Favre belongs with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the all-time list. As of right now, I would say he is still in a second tier with Brees, McNabb, Big Ben, Romo and Rivers. Certainly, Favre is top 10 with all due respect to Devin.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:49 pmbernie, bernie, bernie…
I know the Vikings haven’t had a good QB in a long time, but still come on! Learn how to judge the position man!!
McNabb has gone to how many NFC Championship games without offensive talent on his team? I don’t know that off the top of my head, but I’ll tell you this it’s more than Brett. He’s been more consistent and has carried his team more.
Rivers not only has the talent and the stats, but he’s got the upside. His place in the all time is up in the air, but it’s hard not to put him above #4.
Bottom line when looking at QB’s currently playing the top 4 come out easy:
1. Manning/Brady
2. Manning Brady
3. Brees
4. McNabb
After this it gets hazey. I put Rivers up there for the potential and the talent, but Rothlesburger could go up there, maybe even Warner.
Favre? No. Don’t give me that Pro Bowl bull. If you think the best players go to Hawaii you’re kidding yourself. It’s more a popularity contest than an actual evaluation of talent. Don’t tell me Urlacher has put a Pro Bowl season since their Super Bowl run. But lots of people think he’s good. That’s all. Same with Brett last year.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:54 pmGetting a team to a NFC championship is great, dandy, all fine and all that jazz, but winning a superbowl is whats key here. McNabb has guided them to plenty of NFC championships. Yes his O talent has not been amazing but it hasnt been poor either. He has had a solid Oline. Point being is The Eagles have always had a sound Defense. And with crazy blitzing Jim Johnson as the Coordinator then there is always no telling where they are comming from. With a solid Defense and half way descent Offense they got to those games because McNabb is a good QB, he isnt great, but he is good. Well the Vikings have a Great D like the Eagles and now with have plenty of O power. Great line, The Best RB in the game. Shiancoe at tight end seemed to finally get it last year. Berrian is a great speedster and the addition of Harvin could be potent. Now mix in Tjoke or Sage and well that could be another first round bust even if we are able to get there. I know Favre is old, but damn did you see what he did last year in the first 11 games before his shoulder was messed up with a Jets team that didnt have the talent that we did. His experience and LEADERSHIP is what we need the most. He can push us past that first round Loss and with the team we have yes we have a shot at finally getting that elusive trophy. It doesnt take a top 5 QB to win the SB, just one who can guide you there and one that your team has trust and faith in. Brett can and will win the teams trust, Tjoke and Sage cant
July 20th, 2009 at 12:39 amAll Day is right.
McNabb is good. But his team is also good. Good O-line, RB, OK WRs and very good D. In fact, Philly is the team the Vikings must likely beat to get to the Super bowl.
Favre can make the difference, T-Jack can’t. Favre can hit WRs in stride, T-Jack can’t. Favre can read Ds, T-Jack can’t. Favre can read the blitz, T-Jack can’t. Favre can make them pay when Ds load the box against AP, T-Jack can’t. Favre can win in the final 2 minutes, T-Jack can’t.
Favre? Yes. Judging QBs is subjective no matter how you look at it because they depend on the rest of team. But I trust the votes of hundreds of thousands of pro bowl voters more than one Devin.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:39 amMike you’re only seeing what you want to see. Mark my words and the words of Adam Schein from Fox Sports, Solomon Wilocox from NFL Network, Michael Lombardi at The National Football Post, and many other experts…this is a receipe for disaster. Brett will sell you the tickets and help you win the first few games, but then there will be problems.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:19 amBlah, Blah, Blah.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:29 amI hate Brett Favre. Hate him. I don’t matter. We need leadership. We need guidence. We need experience. We need battle tested. Favre has all that. Jackson and Rosenfels, and J.D. Booty don’t. Remember when Chilly said we’d have 4 QBS in camp? We now do. Favre is the leader. He does’nt have to win games for us like he did with the Jets. Peterson can do that. Our O-line can do that. Our D will do that. I said this before, if your QB has to win games for You single handed, you have already lost. Defense wins championships. Favre will just guide the Offense. I’m good with that, but again I don’t matter. The main concern here is a championship, so who if not Favre will guide us to that? With respect to all Viking Fans……..VIKEMAN
July 20th, 2009 at 11:29 amYes! Vikeman is smarter than Devin, Schein, Wilcox and Lombardi, all combined.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 ami ain’t even talkin about this anymore, vikeman has taken over my computor and he is sayin what needs to be said. he says,” that damn farve is comin and it don’t matter. all the talk is bullshit at this point, we just gotta wait and see what happens when the dust of the playoffs settle, cause we’ll be right in the middle of it.” it’s all about the arm. when elway had this problem corrected, he said that his arm felt better than it had in years, but at that point he had terrell davis and did’nt have to win games on his arm anymore????????????? sound familar? the vikes have that same senerio going now with a better D and AP what more do you need then farve to lead this train down the tunnel?. bernie, you are right romo is a good, talented qb, but has’nt crossed over the line yet with his ability to win the big game. not many have. rothlesberger has because he has great teams. that is the perfect remedy for success. a great and talented team with a great leader. troy aikman is the perfect example. he was a great qb. but would he have been if someone else had drafted him. jimmy johnson said this about troy; ” i drafted troy because he is a hard nosed leader with god given talent. i’m going to “build that team around him, because he can’t win alone.” was jimmy right???? i kinda think so. well the soloman wilcots, micheal lombardis, espn analists, etc…..laughed at jimmy. not for drafting aikman, but for thinking he could turn the cowboys around so quickly. we he did. and he did it by assembling one of the best Ds ever and one of the best o-lines ever. we had average wrs and te’s that just played their asses off to excede their limits. and an overacheiver at RB that the world may never see again. he’s proof that the o-line is where it’s at. minny has all these tools. as the vikeman says, “the vikes just need someone to swing the hammer.”= farve.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:47 amESPN’s Chris Mortenson says Brett Favre has been assured by his doctor, Dr James Andrews, that his shoulder will be fine (for the future). I don’t think Drs Devin, Schein, Wilcox and Lombardi know what they are talking about.
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So you are counting on Favre for leadership?
When he hasn’t changed in the locker room with a team he’s been with for at least 3 years, probably more like 5. When he doesn’t hang out with team members? When both Jet players and Packer players have said it’s like there are 52 guys on a team and #4? Seriously?
Do all of you just watch games from the 90’s, or do you pay attention to anything people say about this guy?
July 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmDevin is Johnny come lately - we have already rehashed the whole locker room rumor crap. Fvare is just trying to escape the media.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pmthose same 52 guys will tell you that on the field there ain’t anyone like farve either. of those 52 guys maybe 10 or less have anything worth listening to anyway. when they’ve played the game as long as farve and had half of his accomplishments, then they can talk and we’ll all listen. in the mean time, i would tell those 52 guys to shut the hell up and concentrate on what they can bring to their position and to the team. in the long run that would be more helpful then shooting steam from their ass, don’t you think. ???? there’s the reason there is team division, not farve.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pmDevin, How many QB’S do you know that never missed a start in 17 straight years? McNabb? Marino? Brady? Staubach? The fact is there isn’t one QB that can lay claim to this incredible feat, besides Brett Favre. I don’t even know of any player ever to achieve this. I remember Jim Marshall was the last player that i heard of even playing that long in the NFL. Better yet, Cal Ripken set the all-time consecutive game record in baseball, and me being a Red Sox fan, had the utmost respect for the man, even if he played for the division rival Baltimore Orioles. I put Favre right up there with Cal for their longevity feats. Oh, by the way, i think Donavan McNabb is a good QB, but never proved he’s great. He had great teams and players, but he was just like Daunte Culpepper, he choked when the stakes were high. So, Brian Westbrook isn’t an offensive weapon? Tell the Vikings that. Also, the Eagles defense overall was rated higher than the Vikes last year. The Vikings could’ve been Dynasty material in the Moss era.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pmWho do you think was the greatest QB that ever played in the NFL? I would say Rodger Staubach. He could do it all, pass, run and win games that looked impossible to win. He picked the Vikings apart, as well as all the other teams. Yes, Rodger the Dodger was not only the greatest, but also the smartest. A close second goes to Joe Montana, because he was very similar to Staubach, but Rodger scrambled more.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pmthankyou bernie, i almost cried when i read your last post. yes roger is my alltime favorite player. he’s why i started liking the cowboys. my dad told me not to listen to my uncles; the vikeman, and packer pete, my other uncle in wisconsin. (you would’nt believe the turmoil in my family this last 2 months over brett farve. this is why i comment on it so much. i need to to get it off my chest). dad said roger is a real hero. heisman winner. navy officer. decorated naval man.and a great football prospect drafted by the dallas cowboys. he said, “like the cowboys and roger, and forget the fighting with those 2.” i did and the rest is history. i saw roger play. i saw elway, montana, namath, jorgenson, fouts, marino,tarkenton, stabler, dawson, hadl,bradshaw, starr, unitas(at the end) and “captain comeback” was the greatest i’ve ever seen. everyone has his own opinion. i base mine on what i’ve seen. i’m an honest, non-discrimitive fan. i call it like i see it. roger was the best i’ve ever seen. thanks for the backup bernie.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pmThe onlt thing I remember about Roger Staubach was that lame pass to Drew Pearson that cost the Vikings a super bowl. Pearson should have been flagged for pass interference. The only hero was the Vikings fan that took an assualt charge for hitting that corrupt official with a beer bottle.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pmhahhahahaahhahaaahaha, hey vikeman was at that game!!!!!! i tell everyone that he was the guy that threw the bottle. he just pisses it off, but says he was close enough to see the throw being made. says it was a pint bottle of peppermint schnapps. he admits that pearson did not puss off. the film clearly shows the db slipping in that wet corner of met stadium. unc says that was a swamp over in that corner. he says it was as bad as candle stick park under sea level. he said you could walk over there on a sunny day and still get your feet wet. the ole met had some of the worst drainage in the nfl, thus the need for the new dome at the time. look it up mike, it is on record that the dback did slip. even he says so. pearson said he only put up his hands to see where the dback was, because he had to stop and come back for the ball. he had the dback beat, but the pass was underthrown. at that time in the rules the dback would have been flagged for incidental contact for running into pearson averting his ability to catch the ball. that is the official ruling on the play????
July 21st, 2009 at 1:39 pmI don’t have time to look all that up but it sure looked to me from where I was sitting on the other side of the field like Pearson pushed off.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:41 pmMike and Dave, as much as i respected Staubach as the greatest of all time, that play called “Hail Mary” will forever leave me heartbroken. The Vikings had the best team that year, without a doubt, but judging by replays, it does look like Pearson pushed off Nate Wright and made that catch. I remember it was fourth down and 24 yards to go, around midfield, and i remember telling my brother Pete who is a big Cowboys’ fan, you guys are finished, then when that play happened, my brother went crazy, but i remember i just sat there in total shock for 15 minutes, even after the game had ended. Then, anger set in and i said that the referee deserved getting whacked in the head with a beer bottle. It’s ironic that many years later when the Vikings were playing Dallas on Thanksgiving night, John Madden showed the Dallas Cowboys broadcast booth, and said if you remember that guy, he was the referee that got hit in the head with a bottle many years ago. So now i had to re-live that nightmarish playoff game all over again, but now, how could you not think something fishy went on because this guy was a neutral referee now working for the Cowboy organization? The whole thing got me riled up because it should’ve been us shutting out Miami that year 24-0, not Dallas. We did get some revenge many years later against Cleveland, when Tommy Kramer threw a Hail-Mary pass of his own to Ahmad Rashad to get us into the playoffs that year. Dave, those were some great Quarterbacks you named, it brings back the good ole’ days. Dan Fouts was a favorite of mine, and do you guys remember Bert Jones of the Colts, he had a rocket for an arm? The reason i said Roger Staubach was better than the rest was his leadership, it was about the team, not him. Add to that his conduct on and off the field, nobody comes close, he is a true hero, and that’s coming from a hardcore Vikings fan. A few days ago, i’d boasted about how tough a QB Rothlisberger is from seeing a lot of Steeler games, i just hope for his sake that these recent allegations made by that woman at that hotel are not true. It seems like these modern day players are always getting into trouble one way or another, times sure have changed.
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pmThanks Bernie, I thought Pearson pushed off. I should have known not to listen to a Dallas fan. Dallas Dave probably forced Vikeman to support him somehow, like blackmail.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 pmBen is innocent, just like Kobe was innocent. Women are golddigging athletes to get child support, but if they don’t get pregnant they can always file a lawsuit months later. Decades ago, no woman would have dared accuse of Staubach of that. Everybody would have laughed. But women have been bitching for decades. Now the judges and legal system persecutes men, while bitches and their pups are favored. Everything women and kids say is believed. Moreover, America has changed to a right wing law and order society that assumes guilty until proven innocent. Just look at the Duke lacrosse team rape case. They said if they wouldn’t have been able to afford the best lawyers they would have been screwed. Look at all the cases of poor black men jailed for raping women only to be found innocent later. The worst case I remember was a child that identified his rapist based on voice recognition, who was later found to be proven innocent.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pmwell it’s history boys, sorry if he did push off, but even the vikeman says he slipped. (i do have pictures of the fat ass in a minneapolis strip club) his wife does’nt. but that is besides the point. it was my cousins’ bachelor party. i still think the most amazing play of the whole game was the series before the hail mary to keep that drive alive. we had 4th and 16 and staubach rolled to his right and hit preston pearson #26 our tailback, and pearson just skyed for the ball and brought it down in bounds for a first down. i saw a picture of that play on the next weeks sports illustrated. in the picture, pearson’s knees were even with the safety’s shoulder pads….that was the most amazing catch i’ve ever seen. do any of you guys recall the catch or the cover of sports illustrated?
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 pmpearson was a basketball player in college and tom landry picked him up as a free agent that was cut by pittsburg. landry said that he loved the leeping ability that pearson possessed, and that if in a tight situation staubach should throw high because preston could out jump anybody in the league. staubach said when he threw it he almost died because it slipped from his hand and went really high. preston made the greatest catch staubach said he ever seen also. it is amazing that he would say that right after he won the game on the hailmary pass?????
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:30 pmbernie, i do remember bert jones. he was an awesome young talent at the time. took the colts to the playoffs, but just could’nt get er done in those 2 champioship games he played. one was the raiders to go against minny? the other was pittsburg to play dallas???? i think???? vikeman says shut up who gives a shit, if minny would have had jones and dem damn colts we would have had 2 superbowl wins…….well, like i said vikeman is always right, right?????
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 pmDallas Dave, with all due respect, f**k off. This is a Vikings web site, although some may argue that considering the traitor grand poobah Dunzinski. I don’t want to hear about Cowboys great plays of the past against the Vikings. If it was any good, we probably got screwed by the refs.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 amHUH, you know old vikeman says the same thing to me all the time. well, this maybe a viking site, but i just thought it was good reporting since it pretained to the vikings history. ? i thought you were all about good, acurate reporting.? remember the truth shall set you free my man. no offense to you, and none taken on my part. bernie got me started with the staubach thing. i try to keep it to viking info as much as i can, you know that. but this is my way to stop all the nay sayers out there who believe i’m some kind of closet viking fan……that should clear that up, boys.? thanks mike, it’s always good to hear from you and your perspective………take note; vikeman loves ya baby.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:22 amCloset Closet Closet, halfway through the season he will be trying to jump on the bandwagon, hahahhaaha
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 amno, i’ll be hanging on to that cowboy wagon as hits hittin full speed to the playoffs
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 amJust joking with you Dallas Dave.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 am