Monday Vikings Roundtable


Welcome to what we hope will be a fun, and thrilling part of our TVA lineup. Each Monday we will be holding a Roundtable discussion of sorts. The TVA staff is going to discuss all things Vikings and perhaps touch on various other topic of sport. We invite you to participate as well. Hit us up on Twitter or Facebook or simply make a comment at the bottom of the article.

Let’s start me boys!

Clint Starks, editor, TVA: Off the schnide with a 34-10 vic over the Cards. I was not necessarily impressed by the performance of our beloved Purple but it was a victory and we’ll take it. Were you impressed why or why not?

Dan Zinski, Senior Blogger Let’s ignore Donovan’s performance for a second. Yes I was impressed. The defense finally forced some turnovers and the run game was dominating at least early. In the second half they were able to make enough plays to keep Arizona from gaining any momentum. As a team I think they took a step forward. I like the way Jamarca Sanford, Chris Cook and Erin Henderson are progressing. I thought Phil Loadholt played decently. I was even happy with Ryan D’Imperio. Then there was Donovan.

Dan Zinski, Senior Blogger Percy Harvin got a lot of praise for his blocking. Put him with Kleinsasser and Jenkins and I think the Vikings have a fantastic set of blocking tight ends and receivers.

Dan Zinski, Senior Blogger Here’s a stat everyone would’ve been screaming about if the Vikes had lost: Percy Harvin got one carry as a back and 2 targets as a receiver. 23 total yards. Oh and he was wide open on that one play when McNabb didn’t see him.

Dan Zinski, Senior Blogger I know Peterson had a good game but I’m still annoyed at the second half production in the run game. Peterson had 86 yards on 13 carries in the first half for a 6.6 average. In the second half he ran 16 times for 36 yards which is only an average of 2.3. That’s not going to get it done against a good team.

Dan Zinski, Senior Blogger I’m glad some of the young defensive guys are starting to develop. Chris Cook, Jamarca Sanford and Erin Henderson are now legitimate players. Speaks well of the coaching staff. Maybe soon we’ll see some production from Christian Ballard.

Clint Starks, editor, TVA: The second half woes continue. What are the thoughts on the second half struggles. Because as dominant as the Vikes were in the first half they really didn’t produce much in the second half…again.

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  • acso204

    I think it is pretty sad, when T Jack (who we let go) is having a better season than Mcnabb.

  • jacalope37

    Took the word right out of my mouth Dan. Can’t be happy about Percy having 2 touches or that a team with 2 pass catching tight ends can’t seem to find a way to create mismatches. Happy about the win for sure. The defensive line was dominant and the defensive backfield collectively put together it’s first solid effort. Judson Coleman

  • jacalope37

    word = words below. Oops. Not impressed with Musgraves at all. I’m not discounting that this offense has problems (bad offensive line, painfully inaccurate passer, no deep threat etc.), but the guy has weapons that he just doesn’t seem to be able to use consistently.

  • jacalope37

    It’s only 5 games I know, but considering what Arizona gave up for Kolb, did they not arguably make the worst quarterback move this offseason? We can cut ties with McNabb at any time, Arizona is locked in to Kolb for at least another season.

  • tuckerbjt

    I think the assertion that Jackson has played better than McNabb so far is questionable. Jackson has a better completion percentage and more yards. Two more touchdowns but 3 more INTs, and some of his INTs have been really killer. The one thing McNabb hasn’t really done so far is kill us with HUGE mistakes, other than that first pass, which, really, we should have overcome (against San Diego). If you want to bring up T-Jack, I would just ask: Would we be better than 1-4 if Jackson had played QB in these five games?

    McNabb produced some real “What the hell is he doing?” moments yesterday. The worst was the 3rd and 10 play in Cards’ territory when he opted for a quick 2-yard pass to Jenkins without even glancing at Harvin in the left slot, who was uncovered on the play. But, McNabb had a nice scramble which he threw across the field for a completion, and the long completion to Aromashodu was big. I think McNabb is doing OK as a game manager; the problem is that game managers really can’t win the NFL anymore, especially if they are just OK at it.

    I would hold out on Kolb a little while. Arizona is not that talented of a team, and he actually has only started, what, 12 games in his career? I really wonder what we would look like with Carson Palmer or Matt Hasselbeck.

  • TomSimano

    I haven’t watched much of Tjax, however, I know he’s injured and may be out awhile. I thought the team as a whole looked better. It’s sad to say McNabb looked a little better too, not good by any stretch, but better. As others have said, game manager, and correctly noted maybe not enough to win in the NFL.

  • TomSimano

    Also, Devin Aromashadu replaced Berrian in a big way, he had his shot to start, and he took it. I think he should keep that until we are proven otherwise. I remember one drop, but hey, Berrian would’ve dropped it too.

  • DanZinski

    Well if nothing else we figured out a way to get some comments on a post.

  • tuckerbjt

    I think any 34-10 win is impressive in the NFL. I seem to remember the Vikings ending a season against the Bears a couple years back in the Metrodome. The Vikings were way out of it, and the Bears were resting players because they had a playoff game coming up. We won that game 34-10 also, and it was impressive. It’s hard to beat any NFL team 34-10 when you yourself are not that great of a team.

    I think once a game gets to 28-0, it is going to get slower and uglier. The Vikings did a great job of milking the clock, at least compared to other games this year. I was so disappointed and confused in the second halves against Tampa and Detroit: Why were we PASSING on first down when we had a twenty point lead? I know defenses stack the box in that situation…but hey, a two yard gain and running 40 seconds off the clock is pretty big when you have a three-score lead. A lot better than an incomplete pass.

    I loved the number of run plays on 1st and 2nd downs, but I maybe would have liked to see more of Gerhart. I think he can be a bruiser who you use in that 4-minute offense. I was very impressed with the use of Lorenzo Booker. Great change of pace and nice play calls that Arizona was not prepared for. Not so impressed with the (lack of) use of Harvin. I feel like he could catch that little 5-yard stop pattern that Shaincoe frequently does, except Harvin could run with it. Would really like to see Harvin on crossing patterns where he could catch the ball at full speed and take off.

  • jacalope37

    I agree that Hasselbeck would look great in purple right about now. He seems to be finding a no name TE and putting him on the map. Jared Cook’s 208 and 1 is about equal to Shank/Rudolph’s output and on 7 fewer catches.

  • TomSimano

    Yeah, Hasselback would’ve been a great pickup seemingly at least a 2 year gap. In that way we’d be trying really hard to follow the Aaron Rodgers mold of having a few year gap to leave the rookie learning on the bench.

  • tuckerbjt

    I guess I maybe would not say we struggled in the second half. The defense did a great job of keeping Arizona out of the endzone. Offensively, with a pretty large lead, I think it is OK to run the ball a lot and take what the defense gives you. Don’t forget that Longwell missed a field goal that would have made our second-half offensive performance look a little better (not that I’m accusing any of you of forgetting!). If we get these same 6-9 points in any of our first three games, I think we win those too. Not great, but it works.

  • TomSimano

    tuckerjbt, Agreed, honestly I think that’s what we’ve been trying to do these other games is just run clock and hope our defence can make enough stops to kill some clock and give the ball back to the offense to just run it. It wasn’t pretty football, but at the end of the day, with what the defence also did, it was effective football.

  • TomSimano

    Also, Frazier is really seeming to be a Childress 2.0 at times, and that has irritated me. If things start working out, or if he cuts a player (Christmas eve will do) I think that will send a message to the team. I give him tons of credit on the McKinnie thing however, so maybe my point is null and void. Either way, cut that bum Berrian, or keep him riding the pine.

  • TomSimano

    Also…if you haven’t watched The League on FX, you need to start, and watch the previous season or two….damn, I love that show.

  • tuckerbjt

    It seems like continuity is huge in the NFL, but in our case, I thought we needed a fresh start. Frazier maintains the Cover-2 defensive scheme and generally kept the status quo that we saw with Childress. I would have been more excited to see something completely new. Hopefully Frazier learns and adapts as he goes; that’s the mark of a good coach.

  • TomSimano

    ….And what Childress was terrible at, game adjustments, scheme adjustments.

  • tuckerbjt

    I think Chad Greenway deserves some credit. Dude flies around the field, and even though he isn’t the greatest pass defender, overall he is a huge presence. I liked Erin Henderson, he seems to have a nose for the runner on rushing plays. Chris Cook actually seems to be progressing, and it’s nice when you pass rush allows guys like Sanford and Allen to get a little more comfortable. As always, our opponents NEVER get called for holding, even when they are tackling Robison as he is nearing Kolb. I’ve always thought it is incomprehensible how rarely offensive lineman blocking K-Williams or Jared Allen get flagged. Seems impossible to me.

  • TomSimano

    Yep, Erin is looking better, Sanford has settled in a little bit. Greenway and Peterson are playing as if they are still trying to get that big contract. Chris Johnson? Not so much, he’s playing as a content player.

    I would love to figure out ways to get Gerhart and Harvin the ball more. I really do not feel that our WR core is as bad as advertised when Berrian is on the bench. Aromashadu can get open or find open spots on the field seemingly. Michael Jenkins is a solid receiver, seems to have good hands. He is not a burner apparently by any means, but is contributing and that is what matters….especially when your QB is McNabb. Percy is electric, he’s being used more for runs, and was wide open last week as someone else said that Tarvaris Jackson may have even hit. Greg Camarillo (not checking spelling) has just dissapeared this year, I would’ve liked to see him on some 3rd down plays or some sure handed plays.

    I was playing Madden 11 yesterday in Franchise Mode, and I kept playing with Camarillo being the PR….wow, he is terrible in that game.

  • tuckerbjt

    I seem to remember Camarillo having a couple nice returns for us? Then again, Berrian had a couple nice punt returns back in 2008….HA!

  • TomSimano

    On a side note I just gave away a used mattress and boxspring on craigslist. Badass… Craigslist is awesome for getting rid of shit in your basement.

  • TomSimano

    Special teams is vastly improved in both coverage, but also on returns. I am not afraid every punt or kickoff that it’s going for six as I have at times. Kluwe will be smart enough to kick away from Hester…if not, we’ll get him.

  • jacalope37

    I’m really disappointed in Gerhart’s lack of growth this year. I can’t figure out why Chili traded up for a guy with no wiggle and not much burst. Yes he’s fighting for playing time behind the best back in football, but he hasn’t shown that he’s anything more than a fullback. And in today’s NFL, you don’t trade up in the second round for those.

  • TomSimano

    I thought he’s looked better, I don’t know though, I remember a nice run of his being called back. However, I do think it was a mistake to take him in the 2nd. I think an insurance back can be found in later rounds, especially if they are on the practice squad in the system for awhile if Peterson gets injured.

    I’m still torn on him as a whole though.

  • tuckerbjt

    I dont know if he was a second round pick, but I actually think Gerhart looks better this year. Looks like he is playing at full speed now, he is a good pass catcher.

  • tuckerbjt

    If he was WORTH a second round pick, I mean. Obvious he was a second round pick.

  • tuckerbjt

    I think it is obvious, but worth saying: our punter-kicker-long snapper team is pretty awesome. We probably take it for granted, but we never have bad/dropped snaps, hardly ever miss field goals, hardly ever shank punts. I know that doesn’t make you win games (see Oakland Raiders for last ten years), but there are teams losing games because of these positions.

  • jacalope37

    I guess I’m still hung up on the team trading up for him (Gerhart). Seemed to be a reach at the time, even though he was graded as a second round prospect. Texans took Ben Tate with our original pick, just saying.

  • TomSimano

    If Peterson were to be injured, I think Gerhart will do very well. However, I hope that AD stays a healthy beast, so we’re keeping Gerhart as insurance, really last week should’ve been the week to mix Gerhart in on runs and some screens with the huge first quarter lead.

  • DanZinski

    In other news, the way the Bears are playing tonight convinces me the Vikes have a shot next week, so maybe we’ll be 2-4 going into the Packer game.

  • cwstarks

    Dan. Good point. Are the Bears bad or are the Lions that good? And to think we took the Honolulu Blues to the 15th round.

  • TomSimano

    Crazy that the Vikings only had 10 men in Defence on the field twice in four plays.